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  From:  CMOTDibbler   7/28/2001 8:35 am  
To:  ALL   (1 of 44)  
 
  160.1  
 
David. I notice on some of the other boards I frequent both DW and Robert being quite vocal about you banning them from this board. 
What did they do? 

And what is required to be banned?
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    7/28/2001 6:52 pm  
To:  CMOTDibbler   (2 of 44)  
 
  160.2 in reply to 160.1  
 
Hi,

 

They are not the only two to be banned from this forum, a couple of other people have made it as well.

 

As I told someone in an e-mail about this topic (I was grateful that it has not been made into a public soap opera) the reason they are banned or anyone is banned are the following.

 

Disrespect to God.

Disrespect to other visitors.

 

It is ok to disagree and debate on this forum. I had to draw the line when people are being repeatedly called names. This is a Christian forum for Christians, a place where Christians need to feel welcomed and appreciated. You cant have a Christian forum with Christian dialogue where Christians feel unwelcome, therefore I took the steps of  banning a few individuals.

 

I hope this answers you question.

 

David





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  From:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   7/28/2001 7:26 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (3 of 44)  
 
  160.3 in reply to 160.2  
 
DW has been gagged in my forum as well. 
It is one thing to disagree but it is completely different when one is so utterly offensive that their posts are as poison to the reader.... 
Well done, David! 
Amen!



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  From:  Dr_Shock   7/28/2001 9:13 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (4 of 44)  
 
  160.4 in reply to 160.2  
 
<<<It is ok to disagree and debate on this forum. I had to draw the line when people are being repeatedly called names. This is a Christian forum for Christians, a place where Christians need to feel welcomed and appreciated. You cant have a Christian forum with Christian dialogue where Christians feel unwelcome, therefore I took the steps of banning a few individuals.>>> 
The folllowing is something to think about: 

Then why haven't you banned Blood Brought yet? I believe he is more guilty of name calling and belitteling then any other individual in the history of the forum. For evidence of this, please see every response he's ever written to me. Honestly you must have, at one time or another, seen him belittle someone for no good reason. 

Just curious. 

-The Mad Dr. Shock 



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  From:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   7/29/2001 7:36 am  
To:  Dr_Shock   (5 of 44)  
 
  160.5 in reply to 160.4  
 
My "belittling" was in response to attack, stupidity, and heresy posted against Jesus... 
Post ALL "belittliing" I have done with the preceeding comments that I was replying to....



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  From:  Al Kupone (Kupone)   7/29/2001 1:22 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (6 of 44)  
 
  160.6 in reply to 160.2  
 
It is ok to disagree and debate on this forum. I had to draw the line when people are being repeatedly called names. 
-=-=-=-=-=-- 

So why is Blood Bought still around? It is because he calls people names but is Christian (In word). 

Al Kupone
 
  
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  From:  Dr_Shock   7/29/2001 7:02 pm  
To:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   (7 of 44)  
 
  160.7 in reply to 160.5  
 
<<<My "belittling" was in response to attack, stupidity, and heresy posted against Jesus...>>> 
Since when did I ever say one bad thing about Jesus? I never have. I respect the teachings of Jesus as a moral handbook but not as a religion in itself. 

When I post to you, I am not posting to Jesus. Every time I have responded to one of your postings, its been due to your attack on other religions and other points of view. Just as you have in the past, you once again refer to others' opinions as "stupidity" and "heresy" as if you have all the answers. I hate to tell you this, but neither of us have all the answers. Its impossible since we're both human.


-The Mad Dr. Shock 
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  From:  CMOTDibbler   7/29/2001 7:45 pm  
To:  Dr_Shock   (8 of 44)  
 
  160.8 in reply to 160.7  
 
>>I hate to tell you this, but neither of us have all the answers. 
How Socratic of you.
 
  
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  From:  CMOTDibbler   7/29/2001 8:36 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (9 of 44)  
 
  160.9 in reply to 160.2  
 
You know, looking over the messages, I see why Rob was permantly censored, but not DW. From my private talks he seems to be just someone who wants people to see the world in a different light. Please, post the things that were too much. 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    7/29/2001 8:54 pm  
To:  CMOTDibbler   (10 of 44)  
 
  160.10 in reply to 160.9  
 
Personally I also like DW.

 

Some of his postings are deleted. I finally removed his forum status rather than continue to delete his postings.

 

Banning is not a personal issue it is more of a content and tone issue.





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  From:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   7/29/2001 10:37 pm  
To:  Dr_Shock   (11 of 44)  
 
  160.11 in reply to 160.7  
 
I have the all the answers I need from the Word of God to determine what religions are false Christs and what are not. 
Mormonism is a false Christian religion and I will say this until Jesus comes. If you don't like it, don't read my posts.



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  From:  CMOTDibbler   7/30/2001 9:27 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (12 of 44)  
 
  160.12 in reply to 160.10  
 
Actually, DW is a devote follower of Christ. He's just not crazy about the religion that started up around his teachings. He finds Christ's words some of the best moral support in the world. He just hates all the cults dedicated to him. 
  
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  From:  CLEMMCGANN   8/1/2001 4:32 am  
To:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   (13 of 44)  
 
  160.13 in reply to 160.5  
 
>>My "belittling" was in response to attack, stupidity, and heresy posted against Jesus... << 
- - - 
which, a week or so ago, got you gagged by the Rev Nike 
from New Age Christian 
- - - 
If you want to be heard, try to be less agessive 
(that was meant nicely, and in all Christian charity) 
  
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  From:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   8/1/2001 4:42 am  
To:  CLEMMCGANN   (14 of 44)  
 
  160.14 in reply to 160.13  
 
Do NOT put the words "New Age" before Christian... 
Revnike gagged for preaching the gospel, Clemm...You ought to learn it yourself too.



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  From:  CLEMMCGANN   8/3/2001 8:17 am  
To:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   (15 of 44)  
 
  160.15 in reply to 160.14  
 
Russ, 
There is a saying you can bring a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink 
You have a message. It is irrelevant as to whether I agree with it or not. 
You have a message. Which is more important: 
that you speak that message or that the message is heard? 
- - - - 
If you call someone a liar, tell him or her that they are going to Hell, 
claim Gods support for your position  without any reason or justification that they could consider 
then there is no way that they will listen to you. 
Emotion will stifle reason, logic and faith 
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The net result was that you were gagged 
I doubt that you had any positive influence on any soul there 
Why do you do this? You may describe it as the Lords work 
Tell me, just what was achieved? 
- - - - - 
The Rev Nike has an interesting version of Christianity 
I have just posted there explaining why I dont hold the Gospel of Thomas. 
Personally, I disagree with Rev Nike and many doctrinal and scriptural issues 
We can agree to disagree. 
If you were to judge a community of Christians on how they love one another, they would, imo, pass. 
Nevertheless, I would not make a post such as yours to any Rev or to any forum host: 
============================== 
What you fail to understand is that I am doing the Lord's work. YOu, by posting your lies, are MISLEADING potential new born baby CHristians down a path that will lead them straight to hell...You want me to stop correcting you, gag me. I have a higher calling then to listen to you and your rules that are sending people to hell.... 
I know you don't agree with me and I don't much care. You are a dangerous tool being used by the enemy and I will not sit idly by and do nothing. By doing so, I condemn myself...The bible says "He who knows to do good and does not sins." Not me pal....sorry.... 
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Russ, 
I wont continue this matter. 
Just advice 
If you want to be heard, reduce the volume 
In all Christian Charity 
- - - - 
Clement 
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"Always be ready to give an explanation to anyone who asks you for a reason for your hope, but do it with gentleness and reverence, keeping your conscience clear, so that, when you are maligned, those who defame your good conduct in Christ may themselves be put to shame." (1Peter 3:15-16) 
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/3/2001 8:33 am  
To:  CLEMMCGANN   (16 of 44)  
 
  160.16 in reply to 160.15  
 
Christian emotions often run high, as they should, because Christianity is a very emotional subject.

 

Some people say it is not just what you know but also how much you care. Blood Bought cares enough to share the truth and to share it without shame.

 

You make a very valid point that people need to hear to receive. But not everyone hears in the same manner. Many people need your calm intellect and many people also need the enthusiasm of Blood Bought.





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  From:  CLEMMCGANN   8/3/2001 10:24 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (17 of 44)  
 
  160.17 in reply to 160.16  
 
David 
I wont continue my statement to Russ. 
It has been said once. Once is sufficient. 
- - - - 
I need to think a little about those New Age Christians and the Gospel of Thomas. 
I have been of the opinion that Thomass claim that you can become Christ, and Christ can become you is heretical. 
In Thomas 13, I read that "Jesus said, 'I am not your master. Because you have drunk, you have become intoxicated from the bubbling spring, which I have measured out. And he took him and withdrew and told him three things." 
In Thomas 108: Jesus said, He who will drink from my mouth will become like me. I myself shall become he, and the things that are hidden will be revealed to him. 
I have been forming the opinion that Mark 13:5 "Jesus began to say to them, 'See that no one deceives you. Many will come in my name saying, "I am he," and they will deceive many.'" and Mark 13:21-22 
Just might have been written against this belief. 
(Thomas, in all probability, pre-dates Mark) 
but now, I need time to square my belief on this point with 1Cor12:13 and with John 7:37-41 
I think, I can say that this aspect of Thomas is heretical, I just need to listen to the Spirit. 
Any opinion? 
- - - - 
Clement 
 
  
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  From:  M_DAuvergne   8/8/2001 2:12 pm  
To:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965) unread  (18 of 44)  
 
  160.18 in reply to 160.11  
 
I have the all the answers I need from the Word of God to determine what religions are false Christs and what are not. 
No man can know the true word of god (assuming god exists...), how boastful you are! I can't believe you actually call yourself christian, Russ. Christians don't boasts. If the word of god gives you all the answers, why must you even debate with others? Why even discuss it? Why? Because, from reading your posts, you are an egoist, not a christian. You think more of yourself than you do of Christ, and think even less of Christ's teachings. I myself am not christian, but I don't know if I'm right or not, and deep down inside, you have doubts as well. This is why you must boast your faith to everyone and everyone. 


~M. D'Auvergne
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/8/2001 3:00 pm  
To:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965) unread  (19 of 44)  
 
  160.19 in reply to 160.3  
 
I join Blood Bought in Boasting and Rejoicing!!

 

When you have the Truth of Life and Eternity in Jesus, the only thing left to do is to Boast.

 

2 Corinthians 11:10 As the Truth of Christ is in me, No man shall stop me of the Boasting ..

 

Stay the course Blood Bought our Praise is with God, not in man!!





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   From:  CMOTDibbler   8/8/2001 6:31 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (20 of 44)  
 
  160.20 in reply to 160.19  
 
A man who declares he knows all only reinforces the fact he knows nothing. 
  
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  From:  CLEMMCGANN   8/9/2001 3:27 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (21 of 44)  
 
  160.21 in reply to 160.19  
 
David, Russ 
Is humility not a Christian virtue? 
Is pride not the sin of Satan? 
There is a thin line here 
Take care 
Clement 
 
  
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  From:  Steen Goddik (sgoddik)   8/21/2001 11:39 am  
To:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965) unread  (22 of 44)  
 
  160.22 in reply to 160.5  
 
-- 
[BB] My "belittling" was in response to attack, stupidity, and heresy posted against Jesus. 
-- 
Ah, but the preceding post stated that a reason for being banned was: 

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Disrespect to other visitors. 
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As such, the reason for your "belittling" is irrelevant. That it exists is sufficient, according to the forum host of banning. 

Steen


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  From:  bromd   8/31/2001 11:43 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (23 of 44)  
 
  160.23 in reply to 160.10  
 
Hrm? I heard a rumor that Dr. Shock has bee banned and/or Gagged on this board... is there any truth to this rumor and why? 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/1/2001 7:48 am  
To:  bromd   (24 of 44)  
 
  160.24 in reply to 160.23  
 
Yes,

Unfortunatlly

 

After Months of Dr Shock finding problem and fault with every single post. I again took the step of locking someone out.

 

This forum is a Christian forum. Non-Christian Visitors are welcome but the main function of this forum is for Christian discussion. This forum is Not going to entertain every Vain, Empty, False and Baseless Rumor and Opinion of Non-Believers.

 

Again this has nothing to do with Personality. Posters who Continually Post, Only to Disagree with Everything are Not Welcome and will be Locked out.





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  From:  bromd   9/1/2001 10:34 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (25 of 44)  
 
  160.25 in reply to 160.24  
 
I hate to tell you this, but such a seperaitist attitude violates Delphi's user policy. As a public forum you can't lock out people for disagreeing with you. 
As a side note, I personally believe you were sick of loosing arguments time after time. 

Such is life.
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/27/2001 9:40 am  
To:  ALL   (27 of 44)  
 
  160.27 in reply to 160.6  
 
Just a reminder that once Banned from this forum it is permanent.

To come back with a new sign on name will just get the new name banned as well.

 

To keep from being banned in the first place simply post in a Respectful manner.

 

It is not difficult to respectfully disagree.





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  From:  Al Kupone (Kupone)   9/27/2001 3:08 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (28 of 44)  
 
  160.28 in reply to 160.27  
 
Funny. I've been watching and your basis of being banned is that someone doesn't agree with your view of the world. 
  
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  From:  Fionn Seamus (Christboy121)   9/29/2001 5:17 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (29 of 44)  
 
  160.29 in reply to 160.27  
 
David, I came under here under the name, Fionn Seamus, and I was banned. I have no understanding of why I was banned; I agree with you on many subjects.I responded to your abortion, and I posted a prayer for northern Ireland. "This forum is Not going to entertain every Vain, Empty, False and Baseless Rumor and Opinion of Non-Believers." I don't think myself to be vain. Empty? My hearts been filled! I have knocked. He has answered. False? Is Christ False? I think not. Neither is he Rumor. What did I do wrong? No insult passed my lips. Nothing offensive. I have a relationship with God, the Virgin, and their Son, Jesus Christ our Savior. Why would you ban me? All that comes up is, "There is a problem with this page. Try again later" Or something like that. I figure there must be something wrong with Delphi, so I go to the source page, and it is there. I figure there's something wrong with my login name, so I get a new one. I come back here. I read this discussion. I've been banned! So, brother in Christ, I would just like to know why, thank you very much. I love this page. Its everything a Christian could dream about. So if I did something wrong, tell me; don't ban me after three posts. 
God be with you, 

~Fionn Seamus~ 



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/29/2001 5:59 pm  
To:  Fionn Seamus (Christboy121)   (30 of 44)  
 
  160.30 in reply to 160.29  
 
Yes, you did get banned and now for a second time.

In the case that you have a third log-on here are the reasons.

 

You are banned for several reasons.

 

1)      Being rude to other visitors.

2)      Advocating violence even in an attempt at humor.

3)      Your posting has Nothing to do with Christianity!!

 

 





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  From:  Al Kupone (Kupone)   9/30/2001 5:52 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (31 of 44)  
 
  160.31 in reply to 160.30  
 
You know, actually, you are breaking your contract with Delphi again. 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/30/2001 3:19 pm  
To:  ALL   (32 of 44)  
 
  160.32 in reply to 160.31  
 
Actually I did some reading regarding the use of the banning/lockout abilities by Delphi forum hosts.

 

For the record, Delphi provides each forum Host with forum Invitation and forum Removal capabilities so that the forum host can Invite or Remove anyone at any time based on the sole discretion of the forum host.

 

I prefer not to use the Lockout function and only use it as the forum moderator to attempt to maintain a Christian quality forum.





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  From:  Ryporter   9/30/2001 4:25 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (33 of 44)  
 
  160.33 in reply to 160.32  
 
The whole invite thing only applies to PRIVATE forums. And since I found an advertisement for this forum and a link to it, that means this is a PUBLIC forum. 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/30/2001 7:02 pm  
To:  Ryporter   (34 of 44)  
 
  160.34 in reply to 160.33  
 
Anyone can be invited to any forum and anyone can be locked out of any forum.

 

The public or private has to do with being listed in a searchable category.

 

Being listed does not require that everyone has the Right to do as they please on someone elses forum.

 

Forums are maintained by topic and content. It is the forum moderator that decides what is appropriate for the forum.

 

This is a Christian forum as it is Pubically advertised to be. Before anyone clicks on a link to this forum they know in advance that they are going to Basic Christian forum and therefore are aware that the forum is Christian in nature and that conduct should be appropriate for a Christian forum.

 

For one reason or another people are locked out of nearly every one of Delphis 80,000 forums. If anything this forum in the past has been too slow to use the lockout feature.





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  From:  jackduggins   10/2/2001 4:20 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (35 of 44)  
 
  160.35 in reply to 160.34  
 
Well, then, lets see how Delphi itself feels about it. 
I'm going to Email them right now. 

Banning me, Coronus D'Auvergne, and banning my friends, Fionn Seamus, Doctor Shock, Kupone, Rob, DW, Rune, etc. will have concequences. Your fourum will be brought down just like Blood Bought's was. 

\(^_^)/ 

~There was a wild colonial boy, Jack Duggins was his name...
 
  
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  From:  Troo (a7p)   10/24/2001 10:03 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (37 of 44)  
 
  160.37 in reply to 160.2  
 
Hi David. 
Up to a point, I can agree with you on this topic. But I do have some concern. Both Jesus and the pharisees called each other names and both thought themselves to be religious and God honoring even though Jesus obviously excels at that :) 
My point would be that I have often encountered two very different views on a given doctrine. And I have seen and been a part of (victim of) being banned for questioning someone's loyalty to God. BUt if the shoe fits, I believe it should be worn. Prophets often had negative things to say about people. Shall we ban the prophets because they have the nerve to dare to find fault with us? 

The danger as I see it in only wanting those who make you feel good and tickle your ears is that one could be headed the wrong way and get no warning. We are all obligated to warn each other should on of us be taking a flase step. 

It is nice to be reassured all the time and be told nothing but sweet things but sometimes that is not what is best for us. 

If someone disrespects God such as visiting pagans or atheists might be apt to do then good, show them the door. BUt it concerns me about this so called niceness and respect that Christians need to show each other. There is the overt disrespect that often gets attention. BUt then there is the more subtle disrespect that never gets addressed and it just as bad but much less enforce. Calling people names is the obvious overt way. But when one ignores a person's scriptural points, and will not address those points, or worse, twists or distort what they say, how is that respectful? 

So I would prefer that if something is not going to be strictly and evenly, fairly enforced, then maybe it should be not enforced at all. It is inevitable that Christians will disagree and that is normal. It is apt to get heated, too. Are not we all adults and capable of having our ideas challenged without our delicate egos being shattered and destroyed. Have we become so shallow and our faith so weak and meaningless that we can't take a little criticism. 

I love to find this subject becuase to me, it is what separates the real Christians from the very numerous phonies. Real Christians are not afraid to account for themselves and their beliefs nor are they afraid to be challenged. In fact they expect it and welcome it. 

But at the very least, i would hope that if one is to be banned, that they are given a 1st and 2nd admonition as the scriptures require and that their sin is carefully explained to them on the forum for the public to see and understand and in private email, too. The public has a right to see that justice is carried out for both parties. 

In other forums, 3 to date, banning takes place without explanation, warning or even admittance that it happened. that is cowardly and wicked. 

Kindness seems like the right thing on the surface. But seldom was a prophets massage a good feeling one. Paul says that no dicsipline is joyous but is actually grevious. Yet if yielded to, produces the fruits of righteousness. True, we do not know if a rebuke is just or not, but certainly one ought to be careful about how a rebuke is defined. If you decide it is disrespect and ban them, I hope you will follow the basic procedures of respect and be thorough before actually locking them out. Most fourms are not the lest bit thorough and are totally one sided in favor of their friehnds and compeltely arbitrary. Just ask Blood Bought. I know he knows what I refer to. 

Anyway, just some words to consider. Now that I know this issue has been raised, I am likely to test it out in a fair Christian manner. I hope that will be discerned. I make it a point of testing every forum that claims to loove the Bible. SInce you call your forum Basic Christian, I hope you won't mind being searched through a little. I have repsonded once or twice before And found it good. But one never knows when one will step on that sore spot or a land mine and have the thing go off. Have experienced it 3 times already. 
I once got banned for caling someone a pharisee. Got banned once for responding to a host the same way she responded to me. Don't do as I do, do as I say. We both know how wicked that is. 
I also got banned for being critical of how another was banned and wanting an explanation. Now explanation, just banned myself. 

So I don't mean to suggest you would do the same but it does usually start with what you describe, The respect thing. Take care.
 
  
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  From:  Hamilton109   10/24/2001 1:30 pm  
To:  Troo (a7p)   (38 of 44)  
 
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Great post. 
  
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  From:  Kidspence   10/24/2001 8:57 pm  
To:  Troo (a7p)   (39 of 44)  
 
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Hi there :0) 
All I can say is a hearty AMEN! 

<<<"Paul says that no disciple is joyous but actually grievous.">>> 

Ahhh...yes! But, a true disciple will also find joy among the grief :0) 

Love, Krissy 

 
  
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   From:  Troo (a7p)   10/24/2001 9:04 pm  
To:  Kidspence   (40 of 44)  
 
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Wow! you were quick to stop on by. I posted "A 2nd Opinion" in the pro-life section. I thought it was my best work to date. But dave did not like it at all. But like kathy, he did not want to say why. ONly insults. I wonder if he would object if I threw some back? Not that I would, but if I did, as I have on another forum, I suspect I would be tossed here. see how easy it is? Now multiply this by many forums and then decide how many God will really have to save when it comes doen to D-day. He'll hardly break a sweat! :) 
  
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From:  Hamilton109   10/27/2001 3:10 pm  
To:  Kidspence   (41 of 44)  
 
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Surprise! surprise! 
Quickly, I want to discuss something with you off line, and I tried to send some e-mails that I am guessing did not get to you.... 

hamilton109@yahoo.com
 
  
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  From:  Hamilton109   10/27/2001 4:04 pm  
To:  Troo (a7p) unread  (42 of 44)  
 
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I really shouldn't have left my response as just a "great post" response, and so I should respond a little more fully. 

>>>Hi David. 
Up to a point, I can agree with you on this topic. But I do have some concern. Both Jesus and the pharisees called each other names and both thought themselves to be religious and God honoring even though Jesus obviously excels at that :) <<< 
To add to that, most of the Apostles had some unrelentingly harsh things to say about fellow believers. Paul, James, Peter, John, all were quite willing to be abrasive if they thought that was called for. We need to remember that two of them were called "sons of thunder" for a reason. 

>>>My point would be that I have often encountered two very different views on a given doctrine. And I have seen and been a part of (victim of) being banned for questioning someone's loyalty to God. BUt if the shoe fits, I believe it should be worn. Prophets often had negative things to say about people. Shall we ban the prophets because they have the nerve to dare to find fault with us?<<< 

He and I, and many others, are speaking from direct experience. Several people have been booted for nothing more than passionate discussion and an unwillingness to accept pablum for answers. 

>>>The danger as I see it in only wanting those who make you feel good and tickle your ears is that one could be headed the wrong way and get no warning. We are all obligated to warn each other should on of us be taking a false step.<<< 

Again this is a mark of the last days and it is impossible to READ the NT without seeing people being corrected in less than gentle terms. 

>>>It is nice to be reassured all the time and be told nothing but sweet things but sometimes that is not what is best for us. 

If someone disrespects God such as visiting pagans or atheists might be apt to do then good, show them the door. BUt it concerns me about this so called niceness and respect that Christians need to show each other. There is the overt disrespect that often gets attention. BUt then there is the more subtle disrespect that never gets addressed and it just as bad but much less enforce. Calling people names is the obvious overt way. But when one ignores a person's scriptural points, and will not address those points, or worse, twists or distort what they say, how is that respectful?<<< 

Preach it bro... 

>>>So I would prefer that if something is not going to be strictly and evenly, fairly enforced, then maybe it should be not enforced at all. It is inevitable that Christians will disagree and that is normal. It is apt to get heated, too. Are not we all adults and capable of having our ideas challenged without our delicate egos being shattered and destroyed. Have we become so shallow and our faith so weak and meaningless that we can't take a little criticism.<<< 

The ultimate danger is that we make ourselves too soft, and cannot endure anything that takes us out of our comfort zone. 

>>>I love to find this subject becuase to me, it is what separates the real Christians from the very numerous phonies. Real Christians are not afraid to account for themselves and their beliefs nor are they afraid to be challenged. In fact they expect it and welcome it. 

But at the very least, i would hope that if one is to be banned, that they are given a 1st and 2nd admonition as the scriptures require and that their sin is carefully explained to them on the forum for the public to see and understand and in private email, too. The public has a right to see that justice is carried out for both parties.<<< 

Since we are believers, some attempt at a Matt 18 process should be observed. Bannings are too often done it what is nothing more than personal pique, not for any real offence. 

>>>In other forums, 3 to date, banning takes place without explanation, warning or even admittance that it happened. that is cowardly and wicked. <<< 

Dittos, but I have only been banned from one forum, and then it was because I refused to let someone else imply that I had been justly banned earlier on that same group. I had the audacity to suggest that the forum host was out of line both in terms of both Scripture and common courtesy. 

>>>Kindness seems like the right thing on the surface. But seldom was a prophets massage a good feeling one. Paul says that no dicsipline is joyous but is actually grevious. Yet if yielded to, produces the fruits of righteousness. True, we do not know if a rebuke is just or not, but certainly one ought to be careful about how a rebuke is defined. If you decide it is disrespect and ban them, I hope you will follow the basic procedures of respect and be thorough before actually locking them out. Most fourms are not the lest bit thorough and are totally one sided in favor of their friehnds and compeltely arbitrary. Just ask Blood Bought. I know he knows what I refer to.<<< 

Hey, I know what you are referring to too --LOL 

>>>Anyway, just some words to consider. Now that I know this issue has been raised, I am likely to test it out in a fair Christian manner. I hope that will be discerned. I make it a point of testing every forum that claims to loove the Bible. SInce you call your forum Basic Christian, I hope you won't mind being searched through a little. I have repsonded once or twice before And found it good. But one never knows when one will step on that sore spot or a land mine and have the thing go off. Have experienced it 3 times already. 
I once got banned for caling someone a pharisee. Got banned once for responding to a host the same way she responded to me. Don't do as I do, do as I say. We both know how wicked that is. 
I also got banned for being critical of how another was banned and wanting an explanation. Now explanation, just banned myself.<<< 

I am the soul who got banned for no valid reason, and then A7P got me back in oh so temporarily.... 

While I don't think I am nearly as outspoken as some, I do insist on standing my ground if I'm convinced it is Biblical. Neither will I allow anyone else to misrepresent something I said, but over all, I'm an easygoing guy. 

>>>So I don't mean to suggest you would do the same but it does usually start with what you describe, The respect thing. Take care.<<< 

Again, having just seen that "respect" can be interpreted in some painfully self-serving ways, I hope that we understand that respect does not mean that we can't play "tackle football," otherwise all of the Apostles would be banned within 48 hours. 

 
  
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  From:  Kidspence   10/27/2001 7:54 pm  
To:  Hamilton109   (43 of 44)  
 
  160.43 in reply to 160.41  
 
Hi there, 
Sorry all. I am editing my own post. Please forgive me. 

Love, Krissy 



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   From:  Kidspence   10/27/2001 7:59 pm  
To:  Hamilton109   (44 of 44)  
 
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Hi, 
I figured I'd send you my addy this way too...I sent one off of the reply to a post key and one off of the options key. I hope they reach you. 

KidKSpencer@aol.com 

Just in case delphi is a little sensitive tonight. 

Love, Krissy
 
  
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